• Jonathan Lawrence posted an update 8 months ago

    Adam Goldenberg, former chief speechwriter to Michael Ignatieff cogently argues here why Bob Rae should not run for leadership of the Liberal Party. His thoughts, at the very least, merit consideration. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/second-reading/only-liberals-can-forgive-bob-raes-original-sin/article4241192/

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  • Helen Hanratty posted an update 8 months ago

    #leadershiprace:Besides everything else, can you imaging what a gift it would be to the CPC if Mr. Rae were to run for the leadership? Better than Christmas. And I’m saying this as someone who admires (used to admire?) him.

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  • Brian Rice posted an update 8 months ago

    The other day an acquaintance of mine, someone I have worked with for a number of years but isn’t a close friend – but someone I respect – gave me a pretty blunt appraisal of myself and my interactions with some people in the party. It was hard to hear, and yes I was angry at first. I even considered, briefly, quitting the party in a huff.

    But…[Read more]

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  • Kirsty Duncan posted an update 8 months ago

    #environment-2
    Hello everyone!
    As Jennifer rightly points out, tomorrow is BLACKOUTSPEAKOUT, which invites businesses, citizens and organizations from across Canada to darken their websites on June 4th, and speak out against changes introduced in the Conservative government’s Bill C-38.
    The campaign says: “Our land, water, climate are all…[Read more]

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    • Thank you, so very much Kirsty. I appreciate all you do.

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      • Dear Jennifer,

        And I am inspired whenever you write–thank you so much for your input.
        Sending good wishes,
        Kirsty

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    • Kristy Duncan makes me proud to be from Toronto. We need more like her

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    • Speaking out against changes being brought about through the Budget Bill, C-38, is important. I question, though, the practicality of adding a ‘black-out’ grey overlay to the website. This will not influence Bill C-38 in any way. All it does is create accessibility issues for visually impaired site visitors who have a difficult enough time…[Read more]

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  • Jeff Rybak posted an update 8 months, 1 week ago

    The #LPC is getting press again as the “real opposition party” by smartly teaming up with #ElizabethMay and the Greens to propose substantive amendments to (and, incidentally, delay) the Conservative overhaul of just about everything in Canada. You can read the article in the Globe but the punchline here is that May, as a technically…[Read more]

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  • Some of you have noted that you want a statement on “What the Liberal Party Stands For” in order to better develop #policy, recruit #members and engage #supporters. The party is currently preparing high level statements of our policy positions on specific issues and we will then develop more detailed summaries of policy resolutions passed at the…[Read more]

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  • #policy #platform #website

    Yesterday @maryanne-kampouris was kind enough to direct me to some LPC policy papers on this site – thank you very much Maryanne!

    These documents can be found at: http://www.liberal.ca/party/documents/ at the bottom of the page under “Other Documents”.

    For all those asking “who we are” and “what we stand for”…[Read more]

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    • Thanks for the note Martin. There are several things we need to do to make the Policy discussion / information piece a single coherent venue. We are gratefully reading and accepting any suggestions and we will pilot / test as we go.

      Maryanne

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      • Thanks Maryanne, that’s great to hear, and I think it crosses topics with discussion about what’s “wrong” with this present discussion space. Likely nothing is wrong with it at all, save that people are trying to have more involved conversations and this space doesn’t suit that format well. So if the more substantial discussion moved to…[Read more]

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    • I can not resist of sharing my thought. The excitement caused by discovering the place where our party documents can be perused is like a discovering a hidden treasure. It is like our party – we know that the we posses unmatched ideas, proposals and visions but we are not sure where to find them and how to present them. Here is my find from one…[Read more]

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      • So Jarek, are you saying I’m not the only one who didn’t know these were there?

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        • Are you implying that there are just two of us :-).

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          • Gentlemen, I have it on good authority that there are many members who seem to need assistance in finding this site. Please spread the word that this information is available and how to find it.

            Also, be assured that people are reading these posts and that the more people who participate, the more we can exchange ideas.

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      • I alwasy assume that most people would browse through the main menu and find the Documents page. i know i’ve linked to it a few times last fall and into the winter… I didn’t think it was that hard to find.

        None-the-less, Martin… I am glad you discovered it. :-)

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    • At various times over my career in IT I have launched groups of QA testers that are designed to imitate “joe-user”. One of the problems with people that use web sites and forums on a regular basis is they assume that everyone does and is as savvy as they are. There is also an assumption, by organizations in general, that anyone who visits a site…[Read more]

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      • From a usability/accessibility standpoint, I agree with Martin… it shouldn’t take much to improve access to other pages.

        The right side-bar has five large image-based ad blocks from “Liberal Boutique” down to Liberal University”. They are great, but they take up a lot of real estate. The header also takes up a lot of vertical real…[Read more]

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        • That sounds like a good idea … I was suggesting a simple link in the top menu bar as the ”cheapest and easiest” solution.

          The only other thing I would add to Doug’s comment is … let’s be sure to call it what it is, what people are looking for … they are not looking for ”Useful References” they are looking for POLICY and PLATFORM.

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      • Well argued Martin, Joe/Jane Canadian are who we want to talk with, thus we need mechanisms that are simple and direct…

        And thank you Doug for your technical suggestions and the offers of support. Maryanne

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  • Today in #Toronto, #RobFord garnered quite a bit of praise for finally appearing at a public event in support of the gay community. And frankly, good for him. I don’t particularly like Rob Ford, I disagree with most of his policies, I loath his approach to public discourse, but I’ll give praise where praise is due. Good for him. He’s a…[Read more]

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    • I agree wholeheartedly. The Liberal party isn’t about telling people what they should believe it’s about asking them.

      I think Bob Rae very eloquently spoke to this concept in his “Social policy speech” (Vancouver YWCA, Jan 28).

      A few quotes from the speech:

      “The conversation about policy has to go well beyond any particular political party…[Read more]

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    • Jeff,
      We have to be carefull about changing positions on issues. If our original position was evidence based then any change should be made because of evidence and not because our original position was unpopular. A consistent message goes a long way towards building a relationship with the electorate. I know that in the west we have a lot of work…[Read more]

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      • Hi Jim

        I won’t say that I entirely disagree. We need to be careful, for example, about changing our positions on things at the drop of a hat. But despite our new mantra of “evidence based policy” as the solution to all our ills, we can’t lose sight of the fact that conclusions from evidence have as much to do with the evidence you pay heed…[Read more]

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        • Jeff,
          when I was a young man voting for the first time Canadians new what the Liberal Party of Canada stood for. It stood for a united, bilinqual, multicultural Canada.
          The reason they knew it was because Pierre Trudeau never stopped reminding them of it.
          The same can be said for the party position with regard to the constitution and for…[Read more]

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          • Please excuse the spelling errors. Thankfully my daughter who is an english teacher won’t get to see this post.

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            • @Jim – I don’t actually think we disagree at all. We definitely need to refine our messaging to Canadians, and it can’t be as generic or as baldly brokerage as “we want to be the party you want!” At the same time, we can’t commit narrowly or immovably to a specific set of policy positions. Your example of Trudeau’s messaging illustrates…[Read more]

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  • Quash the Quorum

    Concurrent with the policy convention in Ottawa last January was an election for new officers to the Liberal Party’s national board of directors. During those campaigns much attention was lavished on ordinary members, we being the foundation of…etc etc and so on and so forth.

    Some of these candidates who did the lavishing are…[Read more]

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    • NOT BOB RAE, sweet mother I’d leave the party if we became that hopeless.

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    • Revisitng the conditions at any time during the current Interim Leadership term would be completely irresponsible on the National Board’s part. There is absolutely no reason for this matter to be revisted at all.

      The condtions placed on the Interim Leadership last May apply ONLY to the POSITION. They DO NOT apply only to ONE specific person.…[Read more]

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      • Doug, you are saying Bob Rae can step down as interim leader then run?

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        • The point Richard is that this entire business of a “vow” and the 5-month period between stepping down as Interim before a campaign was all made up by the last Board, it is not in the Constitution.

          Not only is it not stated anywhere in the Constitution, the rule didn’t exist until after the defeat and resignation of the last leader.

          A lot…[Read more]

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        • I’m not sure if that is a statement or a question.

          It has been my interpretation in the past… that it applies to whoever is serving as Interim Leader. Which, to me, suggests if someone is NOT the Interim Leader, he or she would NOT be bound by the conditions set out by the previous National Board.

          If that is indeed the case, then Bob Rae…[Read more]

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          • What past are you referring to, Doug? Michael Ignatieff didn’t have to do any of this, remember. He acted as interim following Stephane Dion, and went from Interim to Leader.

            After getting slaughtered in the election and reviled by the media for the “coronation” that took place, all of this business was made up.

            The fact that the leadership…[Read more]

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            • Margareta,
              The situation with Michael Ignatieff was the exception rather than the norm and should not have happened. In every other case I can remember the interim was an individual who indicated that he or she would not be a candidate for leader. I believe the situation is the same when you factor in the NDP and the Conservatives as well.

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              • I agree, Jim, it should not have happened, so the answer is to take it out on people who were disenfranchised in the first place?

                If the Liberal Party thinks that the way to repair the damage it has done is with more of the same, then these truly are the final chapters in the party’s existence.

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                • Margareta,
                  I am not sure I understand what you are getting at. All that has happened is that the party has gone back to operating as all the parties have normally done for years. Interim Leaders agree not to run for the Leadership.

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                  • It’s not in the constitution, the provision only applies to the current interim leadership, why would that be?

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                    • Margreta,
                      First of all let me appologize for not spelling your name correctly. My understanding is that it has never been in the consitution and is handled much in the same way as the rules including budgets for the leadership race. I can remember back as far as Lester Pearson and with the exception of the Ignatieff situation it…[Read more]

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            • By “in the past” means… before last week… that it was my interpretation when the conditions were set out and again when I looked back at references I could find (again) about a month or so ago.

              It has nothing to do with Mr. Ignatieff or Mr. Dion. I am referring to the conditions set out by the previous National Board in May, 2011.

              The…[Read more]

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    • Boycotts rarely work as a tactic and are usually ignored by the attendees. Respectful dissent is a more appropriate and reasonable approach.

      Our Party is in ‘flux’ so i think we should spend our #time preparing to present Liberalism as the obvious choice for voters rather than as an imposition or agitation.

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    • Is the May 14 Conference is really about the leadership rules, it means that it’s about recommendations of the special Rules Committee established by the board at the end of April.
      We, as grassroots, were never told who the members of the committee are or how they were selected. Taking into consideration that the one of the vital decisions…[Read more]

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    • The CoP call on the 14th has nothing to do with leadership rules. I am bothered by the fact that someone – especially a former riding president – who has absolutely no information about what is happening on the 14th would jump to such an irresponsible conclusion, much less suggest that President’s boycott the meeting.

      The agenda for the 14th…[Read more]

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      • Really? I provide the facts that dispels the conspiracy theory presented above, and some one gives me a thumbs down? for those that are interested, here is the agenda:

        Council of Presidents
        Conference Call
        Monday, May 14th, 2012 – 7:30 pm ET
        AGENDA
        1. Confirmation of Quorum
        2. Adoption of Agenda
        3. Interim Leader’s Report
        4. National Board’s…[Read more]

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        • Oh now we need to make an explanation? lol.

          I gave you the thumbs-down, Brian, because you did not provide any facts at all. It wasn’t until you got a thumbs-down that you posted the Agenda.

          You could have simply posted the agenda instead of launching into a personal attack on a fellow Liberal, particularly one who clearly invested time,…[Read more]

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          • Every President has received an email with the agenda, the by-law and additional information, Margreta. I hardly call that a “chosen few”.

            We are voting on a by-law that will allow us to elect the chair and other officers of the CoP. It is important. That is why we are having the call.

            And that was not a personal attack, Margreta. That…[Read more]

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            • It was entirely personal, the offense you took was clear without you saying how “bothered” you were, and twice you said it was “irresponsible” – and all of this when you could have just said, “In fact, here is the agenda…”

              I don’t see why I or anyone else should care what you are “bothered” by, I care about the facts. Please stop…[Read more]

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      • Brian,
        The fact that any member has absolutely no idea what is happening on the 14th is a big part of the problem. Perhaps Mike Crawley might want to focus more on transparency and inclusiveness and less on making speeches to the Economic Club

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        • Jim, Mike Crawley has nothing to do with the Council of Presidents since we changed the constitution to not have the President be the chair any more. That was a pretty transparent process, actually, done at the Ottawa convention with around 3,200 members involved in the process.

          I have been involved in this party for over 3 years now, and I have…[Read more]

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          • Brian, you guys are failing. You are failing to make the member ship feel included. We have a hand full of points to discuss, with no preperation, no advance reading to out line the issues to be discussed. This is not the way to make members feel included. You guys are looking for a rubber stamp.

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            • Richard, I am confused when you say “You Guys”. In regards to this call, I am just one of 308 riding Presidents. I have nothing to do with this call, the bylaw we are voting on, or the process used.

              However.

              The matter of the CoP electing its own chair as opposed to the President of the Party being the chair was decided by the membership at…[Read more]

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            • Hi Richard, the Council of Presidents was set up as body to be the voice of the grassroots and to share information and best practices. It is comprised of all 308 Electoral District Presidents. In BC we had a President’s Conference Call last week to share our thoughts about the upcoming Council of President’s call. Our Presidents engage their…[Read more]

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      • I think that we, as Liberal members, have become so used to having decisions, policy, and leaders rammed down our throat, that we tend to jump to these conclusions, and to blame us for that is irresponsible.

        Openness is an easy concept – why does our party leadership feel that they/we have things to hide? Why are all such agendas and decisions…[Read more]

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        • Mike posted about when the results of the national board meeting, including that the rules for leadership would be set in June, on April 23rd on the main page of Liberal.ca: http://www.liberal.ca/newsroom/blog/members-update-national-board-meets/.

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          • Whatever Brian … What “Mike” said in his blog post late April was about 1/10 of what he let the press in on in early May and made no specific reference to making a decision on the Bob Rae fiasco, something that every single Liberal I talk to (and many non-Liberals) has been waiting to hear … regardless … I think you miss my point … this…[Read more]

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            • I don’t disagree that the party could do more to communicate to members. I think there have been some great points made here about sharing more information with members.

              As I mention above, never in my time with the party has anyone ever asked me to see the CoP agenda. I think the expectations around openess in this party have changed, at…[Read more]

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              • It’s called being pro-active, Brian. Just because no one has asked for a certain type of information doesn’t mean we can’t start from the position that EVERYTHING should be posted unless it is deemed “secret”. That’s how the party “responds to these new expectations” – simple, no?

                Regarding Mr. Crawley’s post … he doesn’t mention a…[Read more]

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                • Martin, I am all for being pro-active, but you have to be reasonable. Sometimes it just never occurs to people that posting the agenda of a CoP meeting, for instance, is something that the members would want to see. I agree they should be posted. But perhaps we can give our leaders the benefit of the doubt and assume that they haven’t thought…[Read more]

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        • All press releases are here: http://www.liberal.ca/newsroom/news-release/

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          • Thanks for that Brian, but I already know how to use a web site. This comment is not in any way I can see, germane to my comment. No press release corresponding to Mr. Crawley’s press scrum on (I think) May 4th is posted.

            I never suggested that there was no place to find press releases on this site – I mentioned: agendas, decisions, press…[Read more]

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            • ” If the LPC were to operate in a truly open way, posting of all agendas, decisions, important dates, press releases everything, would be the rule not the exception.”

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            • You can hardly expect me to read your mind, Martin. You said press releases, so I linked to them.

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      • Thumbs up Brian :)

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    • ATTENTION MURRAY TODD:
      It would appear that the purpose of the CoP meeting you referred to in your lead post was NOT – according to Brian Rice – to consider a recommendation to rescind or change the conditions that apply to the current term of Interim Leadership. Brian kindly (though I would not have) published the CoP meeting agenda further down…[Read more]

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    • It is the first posting turning “yellow” as a recognition of high number of “thumb us” received. I haven’t seen it before. To me, it is the indication that the topic seems to be very important to us. We are very sensitive to it and ready to jump up (even if it turns out to be a gossip).
      Conclusion: we need and we want to know as much as…[Read more]

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      • I think we have two different audiences for Liberal.ca, members, and voters. I think we may need to different entry points for those two audiences. I’m not sure that the party is well served by voters coming here and finding commentary about internal party issues, agendas and minutes of meetings, but obviously, as you point out, members want a…[Read more]

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        • Hi Bryan, couldn’t agree more. This issue is coming up over and over again. I don’t know what to suggest taking into consideration that EnFamille is dying due to the lack of members involvement and being ignored by tops (again – the internal party issue).

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        • That’s fairly easy to do… just take the DEMO I’m working on and put it there once it’s ready for prime time… more on the DEMO soon (by personal invitation) :-)

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        • I think we need to stop pretending that any information posted anywhere is “safe” from prying eyes.

          I happen to know of a staunch conservative supporter (not an official member of the party however) who IS a member of the LPC (only costs $10) and as such has access to make comments on this site and (sorry to burst your bubble Doug) has access…[Read more]

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          • Well, even if we do manage to keep something secret, there is always going to be an ”Anonymous Liberal” willing to give it to the press anyway! :)

            You are right, Martin. There are no secrets in the party any more. I think we just need to accept that and be more open.

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          • Hi Martin Showell… yes… there is nothing prevening any member of any other political party from buying an LPC membership… and vice-versa. I’m quite aware of that.

            I’ve never maintained that En Famille was free of current or former CPC or NDP members… just that what’s posted on En Famille is not indexed by search engine and, therefore,…[Read more]

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    • For the Attention of Murray Todd: from perusing the National Board list I note that the position of Chair – Council of Presidents is vacant. Perhaps the concern over a quorum has to do with the vacancy.

      Given that the letter of agreement concocted by the former Board is beyond the remit of the CoP to rescind, there is opportunity to make…[Read more]

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    • Hi Murray, Thank you for your comment. I responded to your email too. There might just be some misunderstanding. The agenda for the Council of Presidents was sent out two weeks ago and does not include any motions or discussions about the interim leader. Sincerely,

      Ray Larson
      Chair, BC Federal Liberal Council
      Président, Conseil libéral fédérale…[Read more]

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    • I have read most of the comments that followed this post, and I have just one thing to say, My EDA did not contact me as I think Brian suggested was their duty for my input, and, had the type of input that might be expected from me been posted nationally I could have at least emailed my EDA. I think this is the crux of the issue that makes it…[Read more]

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      • Don, it is the responsibility of the Riding President to discuss issues of the Council of Presidents with their elected executives. My riding happens to have public executive meetings that any member can come to, but this is not a requirement in the constitution.

        Further, I think we need to trust our Presidents as to what issues need to be more…[Read more]

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        • Wow isn’t this nice thread of amorous Liberals. Brian I’m sorry but your response was a little harsh. Yes Murray is a good friend of mine but I would say the same no matter who it was. Murray is our colleague and past candidate… If you are going to engage in debate then the other side deserves as much respect as you yourself expect. The word…[Read more]

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          • Dean, I do not apologize for my post.

            Murray is a respected member of this party, who has a great deal of influence on the opinion of members not only in his riding but also across BC. I feel that he has a responsibility, as both a former president and a past-candidate, to ensure that when he accuses the party of some kind of wrongdoing that…[Read more]

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            • Hi Brian , I will not respond to anything that was said in your post other than to say you missed my point completely.I was not asking or even suggesting you or anyone apologize for anythihng. Simply I was suggesting that this discussion is moot or should be. I was not asking for any input on what he said she said . What’s done is done . I’m…[Read more]

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  • Scott Yee posted an update 9 months ago

    #website

    I was wondering if the thumbs up & down system could be changed to show all ups & downs?

    Personally, (maybe I am the only one) I think it would be better that way.

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  • Gary Chynne posted an update 1 day, 21 hours ago

    #leadershiprace—-i‘ve watched the two debates so far.each cadidate says something i like.i’m sure my vote will be swayed back and forth though i must say i’m starting to listen to george takach.i like his views on marijauna legalization regulation and taxation.i’ve noticed that portugal legalized pot and decriminalized all drugs 10 years…[Read more]

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    • Gary I am most disappointed with Justin Trudeau. He keeps on hitting us with hoopla. Example: “We’re a big country with a small amount people and a lot of resources. We need to draw in foreign investment, but we can do it on our own terms”

      “I do not like the Northern Gateway Pipeline because of its impact on the environment. Come to me with…[Read more]

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    • George is certainly all the things you say but the reality is he never has held a seat in parliament nor I believe has run for one so he is a political unknown. We need him in the party for his ideas, intelligence and technological know how but can he beat Harper in 2015? I very much doubt it. We have to beat Harper. That is the bottom line.

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    • Sorry John but that’s an odd attack on JT. Every candidate has engaged in similar rhetoric and platitudes ( admit JT is probably the worst culprit) for you to single him out is unfair; particularly as he has now released a democratic reform policy.
      There’s nothing actually wrong with any of those statements beyond the fact they’re…[Read more]

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  • Stéphane Dion posted an update 3 days ago

    Dear Readers,

    Harper’s government has finally decided to send their proposal on Senate reform to the Supreme Court to examine its constitutionality. A move the Liberal Party of Canada has demanded from them, since June 2007.

    In this context, I bring to your attention a text that was published in the Inroads Journal some time ago. I explain why…[Read more]

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    • I agree, Canadians directly electing senators would be a recipe for disaster. That said, The senate does need a new job. The whole “sober second thought” propose is outdated and undemocratic. Personally, I think we should look at what the United States did before they let people vote for the senate: the state legislators picked their senators…[Read more]

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    • But isn’t part of the problem that provinces are not keen on a really effective regional senate[ much less an elected one] since that would undermine the premiers?

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    • I’m not sure I understand. The provinces have different responsibilities than the Federal government. A senate appointed by the regional governments wouldn’t change that, and the senate would have no authority over matters delegated to the provincial assemblies. On the contrary, and this is my mistake for failing to mention this previously,…[Read more]

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    • I’m no kind of authority, but it is my understanding that one of the principle objections to an elected senate is fear of a loss of influence on the part of premiers . There are of course better arguments against an elected senate.

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    • Mr. Dion, your article you directed us to in your post, ends with the last paragraph titled ”Abandon the bill, or refer it to the Supreme Court”. Taking into consideration that our government just done what you have called for, isn’t it premature to ring all bells without waiting for the decision of the Supreme Court?

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    • I did some research and while I still don’t understand the means behind that argument, it seems it is one the eastern provinces are using to avoid holding senate elections….

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    • Could someone list on a piece of paper what the Senate does for us.

      We have ex hockey players, ex CBC personalities and people with Alzheimers providing a sober second thought on something already agreed to by an elected parliament.

      Is true, Bill C-17 would get more competent people into the Senate but do we need the Senate at all?

      I…[Read more]

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    • Thank you M. Dion: As constituted now but changing means of populating, the senate and house would surely head for gridlock. The two entities would simply debate who has the power.On the other hand, if the house was populated by proportional representation (representing doctrines of Canadians) and the senate was populated by preferential ballot…[Read more]

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  • Liberals have to start fighting and not always being on the defensive wondering ‘what will the next attack ad be about?’ Fight now, every second, every minute, by any and all means. Don’t let up. It will take even more than this to defeat the cons. Paid con bots regularly flood radio talk shows and online comment sections – it is always…[Read more]

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  • Ann Alain posted an update 6 days, 23 hours ago

    #leadershiprace

    I would like to hear the position of the leadership candidates on Omnibus Bills and whether any of them if elected leader and perhaps in 2015 become Prime Minister would enact binding legislation or rules to limit Budget Bills to strictly budgetary matters as in olden days as well as enact rules to eliminate the massive omnibus…[Read more]

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    • IMO, Omnibus bills should be acceptable so long as all the content deals with the same fundamental category. An example would be an omnibus bill that deals exclusively with criminal code changes (It would be better still if all the items in said bill, dealt with the same area of criminal law) However the ones we’ve seen with this Government are…[Read more]

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  • #LeadershipRace #Debate
    I heard a lot of very “nice talk” in the (so-called) “debate” in Vancouver last Sunday. A lot about “values” about “who we are” … a lot about … nothing. I am worried that our leadership candidates are missing an opportunity to define the policies that make us the Liberal Party of Canada and to engage the full electorate…[Read more]

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    • Man, you really don’t like to research. Here, I’ll give you a…[Read more]

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      • Clinton:

        Generally, I no longer respond to comments that start out with an insult. Why do you feel you need to insult me? Have I touched I nerve? Do you dislike me? Where is your counter-argument to my statements? Insults and links is not debate or discussion Clinton, it teaches me nothing and as near as I can tell – as you made no comment to…[Read more]

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        • The fact you found my comment insulting says something about you, not me. My comment was about as innocuous as they come.

          Calling me rude, and then proceeding on a diatribe against the people running for leadership of the Liberal Party of Canada in an exceedingly insulting and dismissive manner, is pretty ironic.

          The links provided expound on…[Read more]

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          • Stop trolling Clinton. Everyone is free to have their say on here.And free to be wrong too. You have no particular right to attack someone for it. Your first sentence makes it perfectly plain you’re just looking for a fight.

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            • Everyone is free to have their say on here….except for me apparently, as my contribution is seen as trolling.

              All my first sentence does it make it clear a little research is required to find policy positions.

              Martin’s entire post attacks the people running for the leadership of the Federal Liberal Party of Canada. Why don’t you accuse him…[Read more]

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              • Perhaps troll is too strong a word. Perspective is important. Sorry for that.[ i spend half my time online dealing with real trolls my bad.] But i was a witness to your last falling out with Martin and that line seems a provocation to me. There’s no need to be personal. It doesn’t limit your choice to be critical at all. And no, i don’t agree…[Read more]

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                • Hmmmm, I didn’t see the line as a provacation but I can see it now that you mention it. It wasn’t deliberate, but ill-advised on my part none-the-less. I should have worded my opening line differently so as to avoid that interpretation.

                  As for substance in the debate, I found enough to satisfy me; others may have wished more. And I still think…[Read more]

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              • I fail to see how challenging the candidates to take advantage of these national debates as a forum to reach out to and engage Canadians with bold, new initiatives and clear policy statements is “attacking” them … I was not looking for a fight, I was asking the leadership candidates to speak up! and take the gloves off a bit and give people…[Read more]

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          • What is insulting is your insinuation (incorrect, I might add) that I don’t like to (and hence the implication is – do not) research. That comment is completely uncalled for and patently incorrect. I have spent considerable time researching the policies of these candidates.

            Therefore, as you made what amounts to a disparaging remark (especially…[Read more]

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            • Your attempt at informative and accurate is definitely a failure.

              Your attempt to cow or silence me with bullying language and tone is definitely a failure.

              Your attempt to disparage the people running for the Federal Liberal Party of Canada leadership is a failure.

              Your insinuation that the people of Canada are too lazy to research the…[Read more]

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              • With the exception of the final paragraph, the above comment constitutes nothing more than attacks on me personally. It contributes nothing to this discussion. .

                The guidelines for this site state: “… the goal of stimulating an intelligent and fruitful discussion. As such, we ask that you use language that is civil and respectful, and [Read more]

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                • Your original post attacks the candidates for not discussing policy at the debate. I respectfully request that you refrain from attacking the candidates.

                  None of my post attacks you personally; my post attacks your iil-formed and poorly presented thesis. Also, saying “people agree with me so I must be right” is a very Fox News type of…[Read more]

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                  • Please, allow me to apologize. You did not write “ill-advised provocation”. No – my bad. The correct and valid quote would have been “I didn’t see the line as a provocation but I can see it now … … ill-advised on my part none-the-less.”

                    Glad we got that cleared up and I apologize for misquoting you.

                    Nothing else in this post is worth…[Read more]

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        • .PS “David Bertschi: You’re kidding, right? Please revisit the link you provided (RESTORING THE CANADIAN ADVANTAGE) and tell me where there is any policy. For that matter where is there anything? This page is a list of titles with no links to anything: F b(this page is a waste of a URL)”

          The url provided clearly lists the places David will be…[Read more]

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    • Martin,

      I think you may be being a tad harsh on the candidates as a group. The debate logistics were at least as responsible for what you perceive as the failings of the Vancouver debate as anything the candidates said or failed to say.

      I actually thought that – given the constraints imposed by a nine-candidate race and a two-hour time-slot –…[Read more]

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      • Really Roy, I never intended my post to be “harsh”. Obviously it has been interpreted by some as a kind of indictment. It was not meant to be. It was strongly (I would say passionately) worded because I feel strongly that the candidates and the party can do much better and offer Canadians much more than we saw in that first debate.

        My post was…[Read more]

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  • Mark Wills posted an update 2 weeks ago

    Watched the first debate of the #LeadershipRace, Then had some stimulating discussion over dinner about how the candidates did and the tone and message of the debate. I have to say that I was encouraged by the level and quality of discussion. I’m still completely undecided on who to support but appreciated this as an opportunity to hear from all…[Read more]

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    • I hope the economy will be one of the subjects at the next debate.
      They are trying to spread out the topics. Could be interesting if gun control is on the agenda. I really hope it is not. Nothing good will come of it and the cons will use whatever is said against the party.

      Remember the gun registery was one of the most effective ways the cons…[Read more]

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  • #aboriginal Negotiating IBA’s Impact Benefit Agreements – is project by project ..company by companyy and the reason finding a broader solution to the Ring of Fire is so huge in Northern Ontario….. the treaties were supposed to ensure that the land was shared fairly…. that clearly hasn’t happened…. in 2013 the 250th Annniversary of the Royal…[Read more]

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    • Carolyn,
      It’s so nice to see a member of our caucus posting on liberal.ca. Knowing that you are reading our posts and taking part in the ongoing discussions (as you probable have seen there is a number of threads related to your position as Aboriginals Issues Critic) makes me very happy. Thank you very much for joining us.
      I wish that every riding…[Read more]

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    • Hi Carolyn:

      Thanks for your comment. It would be interesting to look at the history of the Impact-Benefit contract that DeBeers developed with Attawapiskat.

      I think Attiwapiskat gets about $2 million per year in direct financial support from DeBeers. But I also understand that DeBeers has awarded $325 million in contracts to soley owned or…[Read more]

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    • Thank you Carolyn. This commitment needs to be Liberal policy. The history of treaty making and breaking implicates all of us, Liberals and Tories alike. We need to make a principled, honest, responsible stand now. I am not sure that any other party is capable of making the ethical actions necessary, Paul Martin demonstrated his ability and…[Read more]

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