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Re:Power adders 1 Year, 5 Months ago  
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Looking to get advice on what i can do, to squeeze out as much power as i can.. i cant see spending $5k on the big bore, for only a small increase in power.. what all can be done? Or is the BB the only way to go?

Anyone that told you that a Big Bore was only a small increase in power was full of shit!!!!! They must have been someone that wanted a Big bore and couldn't afford to do it so they justified it to themselves that it wasn't much of a power increase. Maybe just jealousy that they can't afford it or the wife said "NO" If you don't want to spend the money just say I don't want to spend the money, don't justify it with the no increase in power excuse. It's OK.
Doing a 2-1 exhaust, ported intake manifold,dyna 3000 and a good carb tune is the inexpensive power gain and will result in a noticeable increase of power but no where near what a Big Bore will do. That will also cost a grand or so. My Big Bore give me 24 HP over the stock motor hp and a nice bump in Tq. That isn't just a small increase. If you want anymore than a Big Bore will provide you need to buy another bike. Maybe a crotch rocket.

Also unlike the post above the engine life and MPG are not affected with a big bore. You can get a 108 with a plated cylinder or a 110 with a sleeve. I'm not sure why either a plated or sleeve cylinder just like the one in your car or in a diesel engine would give less life or dependability. Just another fable from those that hasn't a clue. As far as MPG the last long ride I went on my MPG was in the low 40's.





I have the same HP in my 1100 V* with only ign, intake, pipe & cams.


whats your point you have a completely different bike? I just sold a 600 cbr that would out run a R* to. If he has a 1600 that come out of the factory with about 52 HP and a Big Bore will bring it to 85 - 90 hp that is a substantial increase and not just a small gain as indicated.



Not completely different. An air cooled v-twin, just a shorter stroke, same stock bore. You claimed 24 HP gain, now you claim 35-40. Seems you may not know the difference if you use a 4 cly water cooled bike to a v-twin air cooled. You seem really defensive.


Mine started out being a 1700 with 63hp his is a 1600 started with about 52HP Hence the difference in numbers. Also I just compared to my dynoed HP and my bike that did not have a CNC ported intake or the PR racing valve job with bigger valves. Therefore I said 35 - 40 because his being a 1600. I'm not quite sure what it would get with those items and the 5K invested. I didn't have 5K into mine.

Is your head design on the 1100 the same as the R*? Is your HP dynoed or is it based on claims from company products that adding up what Barons says the intake increase will be and the same from the cam. I know you once said you had your cams custom ground. Unless a guy knows exactly what he wants the cam ground to which could be a lot of trial and error we really only have 1 choice of cams and that is from Patrick Racing. It's hard for me to believe that your mods can be as good as your mods added to HC pistons and a bigger Bore. You know better than that. You also didn't say what HP your bike has from the factory compared to a R*. We know the HP is about the same out of the box but I'll bet the TQ isn't. So with that the engine design of the smaller cc 1100 is no where close to the same as the larger displacement R* and can't be compared side by side when talking about comparative engine mods.

Also not defensive at all Tim just correcting the BS about not much difference in power when it comes from a bunch of those that have never ridden other than a stock bike. And as far as your BS comment about knowing the difference in bikes I do take offense. That comment really surprises me coming from you!!!! It seems more to me that you are trying to mislead people with your claims of HP and are trying to make it as if your bike is a close comparison when you know that it isn't. Just because it is a Vtwin don't make it comparable. Engine design is way different or it could not come out of the box as an 1100 with the same HP as the larger 1600 or 1700. It would be impossible.
 
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Re:Power adders 1 Year, 5 Months ago  
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Seems the most bang for the buck is to just change the primary pulley to a 31T.

+1 totally agree, only thing I would add is a change in rev limiter..A 1600 gets to the end really quick in 1st and second gear with a 31t pulley.............


This^^^^^^^^^^^. Both items if your after seat of the pants performance

A 2 into 1 exhaust.
Improve the intake so the pig can breathe, and jet the carb accordingly.
 
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Re:Power adders 1 Year, 5 Months ago  
Redundancy was never the goal.
 
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Re:Power adders 1 Year, 5 Months ago  
SKWEARpeg wrote:
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Shores wrote:
Seems the most bang for the buck is to just change the primary pulley to a 31T.

+1 totally agree, only thing I would add is a change in rev limiter..A 1600 gets to the end really quick in 1st and second gear with a 31t pulley.............


This^^^^^^^^^^^. Both items if your after seat of the pants performance

A 2 into 1 exhaust.
Improve the intake so the pig can breathe, and jet the carb accordingly.

Those were the first things I did and noticed a big difference. Also get rid of the AIS
 
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Re:Power adders 1 Year, 5 Months ago  
davej wrote:
TimB1007 wrote:
davej wrote:
TimB1007 wrote:
davej wrote:
inkdnurse wrote:
Looking to get advice on what i can do, to squeeze out as much power as i can.. i cant see spending $5k on the big bore, for only a small increase in power.. what all can be done? Or is the BB the only way to go?

Anyone that told you that a Big Bore was only a small increase in power was full of shit!!!!! They must have been someone that wanted a Big bore and couldn't afford to do it so they justified it to themselves that it wasn't much of a power increase. Maybe just jealousy that they can't afford it or the wife said "NO" If you don't want to spend the money just say I don't want to spend the money, don't justify it with the no increase in power excuse. It's OK.
Doing a 2-1 exhaust, ported intake manifold,dyna 3000 and a good carb tune is the inexpensive power gain and will result in a noticeable increase of power but no where near what a Big Bore will do. That will also cost a grand or so. My Big Bore give me 24 HP over the stock motor hp and a nice bump in Tq. That isn't just a small increase. If you want anymore than a Big Bore will provide you need to buy another bike. Maybe a crotch rocket.

Also unlike the post above the engine life and MPG are not affected with a big bore. You can get a 108 with a plated cylinder or a 110 with a sleeve. I'm not sure why either a plated or sleeve cylinder just like the one in your car or in a diesel engine would give less life or dependability. Just another fable from those that hasn't a clue. As far as MPG the last long ride I went on my MPG was in the low 40's.





I have the same HP in my 1100 V* with only ign, intake, pipe & cams.


whats your point you have a completely different bike? I just sold a 600 cbr that would out run a R* to. If he has a 1600 that come out of the factory with about 52 HP and a Big Bore will bring it to 85 - 90 hp that is a substantial increase and not just a small gain as indicated.



Not completely different. An air cooled v-twin, just a shorter stroke, same stock bore. You claimed 24 HP gain, now you claim 35-40. Seems you may not know the difference if you use a 4 cly water cooled bike to a v-twin air cooled. You seem really defensive.


Mine started out being a 1700 with 63hp his is a 1600 started with about 52HP Hence the difference in numbers. Also I just compared to my dynoed HP and my bike that did not have a CNC ported intake or the PR racing valve job with bigger valves. Therefore I said 35 - 40 because his being a 1600. I'm not quite sure what it would get with those items and the 5K invested. I didn't have 5K into mine.

Is your head design on the 1100 the same as the R*? Is your HP dynoed or is it based on claims from company products that adding up what Barons says the intake increase will be and the same from the cam. I know you once said you had your cams custom ground. Unless a guy knows exactly what he wants the cam ground to which could be a lot of trial and error we really only have 1 choice of cams and that is from Patrick Racing. It's hard for me to believe that your mods can be as good as your mods added to HC pistons and a bigger Bore. You know better than that. You also didn't say what HP your bike has from the factory compared to a R*. We know the HP is about the same out of the box but I'll bet the TQ isn't. So with that the engine design of the smaller cc 1100 is no where close to the same as the larger displacement R* and can't be compared side by side when talking about comparative engine mods.

Also not defensive at all Tim just correcting the BS about not much difference in power when it comes from a bunch of those that have never ridden other than a stock bike. And as far as your BS comment about knowing the difference in bikes I do take offense. That comment really surprises me coming from you!!!! It seems more to me that you are trying to mislead people with your claims of HP and are trying to make it as if your bike is a close comparison when you know that it isn't. Just because it is a Vtwin don't make it comparable. Engine design is way different or it could not come out of the box as an 1100 with the same HP as the larger 1600 or 1700. It would be impossible.





Factory spec for the 1100 is 48-52 HP stock. Just pipes, intake & ign take it to 62 HP, add my cams for another 10 HP. 50% gain vs stock. So you do know it's silly to compare the CBR to an air cooled v-twin, yet you used it as an example. I didn't make it up. I have 1700 cams that I'll have regr
ound to my specs, but my 1600 still won't out run my 1100.
 
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Re:Power adders 1 Year, 5 Months ago  
TimB1007 wrote:
davej wrote:
TimB1007 wrote:
davej wrote:
TimB1007 wrote:
davej wrote:
inkdnurse wrote:
Looking to get advice on what i can do, to squeeze out as much power as i can.. i cant see spending $5k on the big bore, for only a small increase in power.. what all can be done? Or is the BB the only way to go?

Anyone that told you that a Big Bore was only a small increase in power was full of shit!!!!! They must have been someone that wanted a Big bore and couldn't afford to do it so they justified it to themselves that it wasn't much of a power increase. Maybe just jealousy that they can't afford it or the wife said "NO" If you don't want to spend the money just say I don't want to spend the money, don't justify it with the no increase in power excuse. It's OK.
Doing a 2-1 exhaust, ported intake manifold,dyna 3000 and a good carb tune is the inexpensive power gain and will result in a noticeable increase of power but no where near what a Big Bore will do. That will also cost a grand or so. My Big Bore give me 24 HP over the stock motor hp and a nice bump in Tq. That isn't just a small increase. If you want anymore than a Big Bore will provide you need to buy another bike. Maybe a crotch rocket.

Also unlike the post above the engine life and MPG are not affected with a big bore. You can get a 108 with a plated cylinder or a 110 with a sleeve. I'm not sure why either a plated or sleeve cylinder just like the one in your car or in a diesel engine would give less life or dependability. Just another fable from those that hasn't a clue. As far as MPG the last long ride I went on my MPG was in the low 40's.





I have the same HP in my 1100 V* with only ign, intake, pipe & cams.


whats your point you have a completely different bike? I just sold a 600 cbr that would out run a R* to. If he has a 1600 that come out of the factory with about 52 HP and a Big Bore will bring it to 85 - 90 hp that is a substantial increase and not just a small gain as indicated.



Not completely different. An air cooled v-twin, just a shorter stroke, same stock bore. You claimed 24 HP gain, now you claim 35-40. Seems you may not know the difference if you use a 4 cly water cooled bike to a v-twin air cooled. You seem really defensive.


Mine started out being a 1700 with 63hp his is a 1600 started with about 52HP Hence the difference in numbers. Also I just compared to my dynoed HP and my bike that did not have a CNC ported intake or the PR racing valve job with bigger valves. Therefore I said 35 - 40 because his being a 1600. I'm not quite sure what it would get with those items and the 5K invested. I didn't have 5K into mine.

Is your head design on the 1100 the same as the R*? Is your HP dynoed or is it based on claims from company products that adding up what Barons says the intake increase will be and the same from the cam. I know you once said you had your cams custom ground. Unless a guy knows exactly what he wants the cam ground to which could be a lot of trial and error we really only have 1 choice of cams and that is from Patrick Racing. It's hard for me to believe that your mods can be as good as your mods added to HC pistons and a bigger Bore. You know better than that. You also didn't say what HP your bike has from the factory compared to a R*. We know the HP is about the same out of the box but I'll bet the TQ isn't. So with that the engine design of the smaller cc 1100 is no where close to the same as the larger displacement R* and can't be compared side by side when talking about comparative engine mods.

Also not defensive at all Tim just correcting the BS about not much difference in power when it comes from a bunch of those that have never ridden other than a stock bike. And as far as your BS comment about knowing the difference in bikes I do take offense. That comment really surprises me coming from you!!!! It seems more to me that you are trying to mislead people with your claims of HP and are trying to make it as if your bike is a close comparison when you know that it isn't. Just because it is a Vtwin don't make it comparable. Engine design is way different or it could not come out of the box as an 1100 with the same HP as the larger 1600 or 1700. It would be impossible.





Factory spec for the 1100 is 48-52 HP stock. Just pipes, intake & ign take it to 62 HP, add my cams for another 10 HP. 50% gain vs stock. So you do know it's silly to compare the CBR to an air cooled v-twin, yet you used it as an example. I didn't make it up. I have 1700 cams that I'll have regr
ound to my specs, but my 1600 still won't out run my 1100.


Your 1100 with custom ground to your specs 1700 cams and the differences in the factory engine specs really has nothing to do with the topic of this thread, so me throwing in what you consider a silly comparison with a cbr600 is no sillier than the comparison you are trying to justify with another NON R* bike. Just being a Vtwin don't cut it. Topic was about increase of power with a Big Bore and I do believe that as an owner of a Big Bore I have a pretty good idea of the difference. There are only a few of us here that do, the rest are just guessing. I also believe my first post was on thread subject and written with the experience of a owner of a before and after Big Bore Roadstar. In fact I could tell you with dyno numbers to back it the difference between quite a few eng,exhaust and jetting configurations on Stock motor and Big Bore with stock cams and again the dyno difference with PR cams. So I think I am more than qualified to comment on this thread with Roadstar to Roadstar comparisons and not Roadstar to I have a 1100 Yamaha to compare. I have no doubt your bike is fast but that has nothing to do with the subject of this thread!!! When this guy gets an 1100 and ask the same question then you will be the one that can tell him what mods give what results and as a non 1100 owner I will stay out of that thread and not talk about the mods I have done on my Roadstar. Because it wouldn't matter what I have done to my R* if he is asking about an 1100.
 
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Re:Power adders 1 Year, 5 Months ago  
davej wrote:
TimB1007 wrote:
davej wrote:
TimB1007 wrote:
davej wrote:
TimB1007 wrote:
davej wrote:
inkdnurse wrote:
Looking to get advice on what i can do, to squeeze out as much power as i can.. i cant see spending $5k on the big bore, for only a small increase in power.. what all can be done? Or is the BB the only way to go?

Anyone that told you that a Big Bore was only a small increase in power was full of shit!!!!! They must have been someone that wanted a Big bore and couldn't afford to do it so they justified it to themselves that it wasn't much of a power increase. Maybe just jealousy that they can't afford it or the wife said "NO" If you don't want to spend the money just say I don't want to spend the money, don't justify it with the no increase in power excuse. It's OK.
Doing a 2-1 exhaust, ported intake manifold,dyna 3000 and a good carb tune is the inexpensive power gain and will result in a noticeable increase of power but no where near what a Big Bore will do. That will also cost a grand or so. My Big Bore give me 24 HP over the stock motor hp and a nice bump in Tq. That isn't just a small increase. If you want anymore than a Big Bore will provide you need to buy another bike. Maybe a crotch rocket.

Also unlike the post above the engine life and MPG are not affected with a big bore. You can get a 108 with a plated cylinder or a 110 with a sleeve. I'm not sure why either a plated or sleeve cylinder just like the one in your car or in a diesel engine would give less life or dependability. Just another fable from those that hasn't a clue. As far as MPG the last long ride I went on my MPG was in the low 40's.





I have the same HP in my 1100 V* with only ign, intake, pipe & cams.


whats your point you have a completely different bike? I just sold a 600 cbr that would out run a R* to. If he has a 1600 that come out of the factory with about 52 HP and a Big Bore will bring it to 85 - 90 hp that is a substantial increase and not just a small gain as indicated.



Not completely different. An air cooled v-twin, just a shorter stroke, same stock bore. You claimed 24 HP gain, now you claim 35-40. Seems you may not know the difference if you use a 4 cly water cooled bike to a v-twin air cooled. You seem really defensive.


Mine started out being a 1700 with 63hp his is a 1600 started with about 52HP Hence the difference in numbers. Also I just compared to my dynoed HP and my bike that did not have a CNC ported intake or the PR racing valve job with bigger valves. Therefore I said 35 - 40 because his being a 1600. I'm not quite sure what it would get with those items and the 5K invested. I didn't have 5K into mine.

Is your head design on the 1100 the same as the R*? Is your HP dynoed or is it based on claims from company products that adding up what Barons says the intake increase will be and the same from the cam. I know you once said you had your cams custom ground. Unless a guy knows exactly what he wants the cam ground to which could be a lot of trial and error we really only have 1 choice of cams and that is from Patrick Racing. It's hard for me to believe that your mods can be as good as your mods added to HC pistons and a bigger Bore. You know better than that. You also didn't say what HP your bike has from the factory compared to a R*. We know the HP is about the same out of the box but I'll bet the TQ isn't. So with that the engine design of the smaller cc 1100 is no where close to the same as the larger displacement R* and can't be compared side by side when talking about comparative engine mods.

Also not defensive at all Tim just correcting the BS about not much difference in power when it comes from a bunch of those that have never ridden other than a stock bike. And as far as your BS comment about knowing the difference in bikes I do take offense. That comment really surprises me coming from you!!!! It seems more to me that you are trying to mislead people with your claims of HP and are trying to make it as if your bike is a close comparison when you know that it isn't. Just because it is a Vtwin don't make it comparable. Engine design is way different or it could not come out of the box as an 1100 with the same HP as the larger 1600 or 1700. It would be impossible.





Factory spec for the 1100 is 48-52 HP stock. Just pipes, intake & ign take it to 62 HP, add my cams for another 10 HP. 50% gain vs stock. So you do know it's silly to compare the CBR to an air cooled v-twin, yet you used it as an example. I didn't make it up. I have 1700 cams that I'll have regr
ound to my specs, but my 1600 still won't out run my 1100.


Your 1100 with custom ground to your specs 1700 cams and the differences in the factory engine specs really has nothing to do with the topic of this thread, so me throwing in what you consider a silly comparison with a cbr600 is no sillier than the comparison you are trying to justify with another NON R* bike. Just being a Vtwin don't cut it. Topic was about increase of power with a Big Bore and I do believe that as an owner of a Big Bore I have a pretty good idea of the difference. There are only a few of us here that do, the rest are just guessing. I also believe my first post was on thread subject and written with the experience of a owner of a before and after Big Bore Roadstar. In fact I could tell you with dyno numbers to back it the difference between quite a few eng,exhaust and jetting configurations on Stock motor and Big Bore with stock cams and again the dyno difference with PR cams. So I think I am more than qualified to comment on this thread with Roadstar to Roadstar comparisons and not Roadstar to I have a 1100 Yamaha to compare. I have no doubt your bike is fast but that has nothing to do with the subject of this thread!!! When this guy gets an 1100 and ask the same question then you will be the one that can tell him what mods give what results and as a non 1100 owner I will stay out of that thread and not talk about the mods I have done on my Roadstar. Because it wouldn't matter what I have done to my R* if he is asking about an 1100.



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I say DON'T pour money into the Roadstar....will never get it bavk. Get a Royal Star Venture.....perfect for what you want.....2 up riding. 1999-2014 98 hp stock and MADE for touring. Find them for $4k-8k all day long. I have Barons 4-2-4 Nasty Boyz exhaust, Ivans jet kit, and K&N filters and it's TONS faster than my 1600 Roadstar was.
 
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A Gold Wing is a good upgrade as well. Not too expensive and better rider position is worth while.
 
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A Gold Wing is a good upgrade as well. Not too expensive and better rider position is worth while.

Goldwing are great bikes but $ for $ you can't beat a RSV and THE RSV look a lot better.
 
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