Warden wrote:
Wow is right. Just wow.

So, yes, I think I would have stayed upright if my bike had ABS brakes. Nice thread this has become!

or if you had those nifty training wheels!

Arps wrote:
Warden wrote:
Wow is right. Just wow.

So, yes, I think I would have stayed upright if my bike had ABS brakes. Nice thread this has become!

or if you had those nifty training wheels!

When the rear end is passing you up, I think I would have appreciated the training wheels!!! LOL

Could be fun in the eagles parking lot...

jd750ace wrote:
I believe the skills that I hone with my SV 650 (braking with the front deep into turns, using the rear pretty much only to stabilize and not really to provide a great deal of braking energy) have contributed greatly to how much better I can ride my Road Star. I apply the same principals, generally practiced on the lighter, deeper leaning bike first, and I sometimes suprise myself by the mid-corner control I have. Sometimes I am just rolling through, with no brakes applied, and get a change-up like a dead animal on my line or something. I'm able to smoothly and rapidly apply front brake to correct my line around the obstacle. It takes a little nerve to get into mid corner braking, but with practice you can lay into it smoothly without dumping traction. I've dumped a bike over braking with the front while steering around an obstacle, and that sucks. At the time I hadn't practiced it. Practice trailing front brake to the apex, and applying brake while leaned over is the only way to build confidence with it. Smooth is everything when making a braking transition in a turn. To roll in with brake, get that front brake working the decel while you are still upright. That gets the chassis shift over and done with, and there is no abrupt transition while you are initiating the turn. Once committed to a turn, you can apply front brake easier than you think. The suspension already has some compression on it, so there is no big upset, as long as you bring it in smooth. I encourage everyone to work on corner braking on your familiar roads with good visibility through the turn, so you have vision and familiarity to run wide if needed while you practice. Good thread. BTW, I watched a BMW demo of their ABS years ago, and it's pretty impressive, and just as effective leaned over as upright.

I agree with JD 100% on this. Smoooth (with at least 3 "O's) is a very big key. Working on it until it is instinct will help get you through some really tight spots. Unfortunately, many riders overreact in emergencies and get themselves in trouble with no way out but down! Not good!

However, since I now have ABS, Arps makes a great point in that you need to practice, practice, practice...even with ABS, so you know what to expect when that 'moment of truth' shows up. ABS was a significant factor in our bike selection for my wife as I'm still working with her "emergency braking" technique. Much improved now compared to when she started riding and I think her trusting the front brake to NOT lock up has helped her immensely.

after owning a few bikes with abs ill never own one without along with heated grips and seats bahah. the newer abs linked setups are amazing, and not the abs pro which detects if your hooked over or not and adjust accordingly.. (new bmw's - not sure if others have it yet or have had it).

I have rode my friends street glide with abs and their is no comparison. stopping is night and day difference between mine and his.

Just wondering if slowing down a bit might help? Just askin.

Rich7751 wrote:
Just wondering if slowing down a bit might help? Just askin.

Slow down

What are you...old or something?

Deerkiller wrote:
Rich7751 wrote:
Just wondering if slowing down a bit might help? Just askin.

Slow down

What are you...old or something?
Yes

tip of the hat to both Warden and Smokescreens to owning up to over riding the corner. Only time I've ever gone down I cooked it too hot in to a corner. All my fault.

Last incident I saw was exactly as described. The guy leading was cooking (and he was good) he ran off the road and the one's right behind followed.
About an hour previously I had been chided by one of them that ran off the road that I was staying back too far.
I told him I do not like riding in groups at all as I trust no one.
An hour later he said maybe I was right.

Truthfully it should be like in hiking....slowest guy in front sets the pace. Unfortunately most of us are not that patient!

I use a lot of rear brake, however approaching a corner I use a ton of front brake then if needed trail brake using the rear through the corner.

Again kudos to Warden and Smokescreen. They will be even better riders for acknowledging this.