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Re:More Tire Talk 5 Years, 10 Months ago  
Just another note on the heat. If your sidewalls turn brown on a 250 mile ride with 60-80mph speeds, your conditions are hot. A number of people I've talked to up north here remarked they had never seen that. My car tires do it too. My Michelin aircraft tire book (level II tire tech here!) tells me that the natural rubber oils that are present with the carbon black and brazillion other products in the tire "gas out" of the tire with heat cycles. This slowly erodes wet traction, pliability, sidewall compliance, puncture resistance, and surface quality of the sidewall.
 
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Re:More Tire Talk 5 Years, 10 Months ago  
IL only run me880's. I get about 20k+ out of front tire, and half that on rear. depends on your right hand (and foot) never had a flat unless tire was done. just what I do. ride hard
 
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Re:More Tire Talk 5 Years, 10 Months ago  
Great Information! I am sure to steer away from the 404 unless I can find a way to carry a SPARE! I am liking the talk of the Metzeler or Commander.
 
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Re:More Tire Talk 5 Years, 10 Months ago  
either one is an excellent choice. The Avon Venom has worked well for a couple of folks as well.
 
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Re:More Tire Talk 5 Years, 10 Months ago  
all the talk about tires lasting is a little off point.....? i would prefer to know what tire grips.
in saying that i know its a big topic as there are many factors all of which have a contributing effect, which i will not go into.
i know for the most part it will be up to the individual and their specific needs etc, but the talk for the most part seems to be in regards to tire wear and not grip.....? who cares about longivity really? dont we all like staying upright? just a point, the same tires here in Australia are on average double what you pay, commander 11 are $300 each (last tire change i did the math and shipped them from USA got both for $300 but to make it work $$$ i need to do the change myself, which is a good idea any way)
in my opinion the rear tire can do what ever it likes (almost) but the front tire, well thats a different kettle of fish all together..... there is nothing worse than loosing the front, catching it takes some skill which i dont think you really get until you have lost it a few times even the tire slipping a little is bad enough as you know whats about to happen, or you know just how close you came to scaping all that chrome.
a point... on a different ride, a different tire which was the stock for that bike a bridgestone radial, meant to grip like hell but when you reached the limit it gave and did so with no warning... didnt like them at all. ended up changing to a grooved dunlop racing comp. cross ply, now they were a great tire with heaps of feel just a short life.
i have the commander 11 front and rear at present and so far so good, the front seems to hang on pretty well seems to have a little slippage under high load which i like (feel) last ride front tire was ripped, well as ripped as a hard compound tire would look. i did push the R hard around the corners, lost the rear a few times and felt the front slide a bit but all under control (well on that ride any way as i stayed up-right)
so far im liking the commanders, if you work them they do soften up and get a little gripy. will see how long they last.... not that i care.
 
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Re:More Tire Talk 5 Years, 10 Months ago  
Well said Masterhermit, but I doubt most ride like us pushing it to the edge of the envelope, therefore the mileage concerns. I wasnt able to articulate as well as you about how the feel of the C II's are. Im getting a lot more confident with the rear as it is scrubbed in well now. Im hoping we find these are the best compromise of both handling and longevity but will definately take the handling for now .

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Re:More Tire Talk 5 Years, 10 Months ago  
My 03 Silverado drags extremely early. I have never felt a front tire slip on the roadie. I have been able to break the rear loose.

That being said, I have never had a tire on my Road Star that I would say did not grip.

Heck, I guess I'm smooth. I've had dual sport tires on my SV650, and still drag the pegs, and never feel shy of grip. That's one of the reasons I couldn't understand people that ride on the street, like me, thinking they need hypersport tires on an SV! You just can't run it in hard enough on the street to tax out a tire without being hyperstoopid. You can over-cook a corner, but that's bad riding, not bad tires. You can't get those tires hot enough on the street to optimize the performance they are designed for anyway. Well, not unless you are riding in a manner that will make folks thing you are going to get what you deserve one day for being a squid.
 
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Re:More Tire Talk 5 Years, 10 Months ago  
I run the 'Liner hard and ran my Roadie hard. Difference is there are a # of tire choices for the Roadie , not so much for the 'Liner. But on the upside , the tires that came on the 'Liner are so good , that after my 4th set , I'm still very happy with them. Just don't care for the price , and the tire life. But after coming home from a good push in the twisties , I forget about $ and tire life , as they let me do what I want.

That being said , I also understand that a lot of guys don't ride hard , and tire life does matter to them. I get it. For me , it's like looking at a 4WD truck with a street tire on it , not my cup of tea , as I use mine off road regularly. But some never leave the pavement. Those guys couldn't care less about traction (and the noise associated with aggressive tires). The biggest thing you can do for tire life , is wheel alignment and tire pressure. If you don't want to take 3 minutes and eyeball tire pressure , expect a shorter tire life (or worse). BB
 
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