Ctkog wrote:
BikerRon wrote:
I’d look into ZPaste. Designed especially for a flat tappet break in period.

It’s all about the ZDDP content they so desperately need in the initial startup.

Hope your new oil has high ZDDP content (min 1300 ppm), as well.

Hey Ron sounds like you might also know a thing or two about oils. I was reading the label on some Diesel truck oil and it said that it is basically the same as automotive oil except for the higher ZDDP content. It specifically said it can damage catyletic converters in cars. We don't have CC on our bikes so what would prevent us benefiting from the ZDDP using truck oil in our roadstars? I'm sure there are some issues like...clutch slippage? just curious. thanks


Zpaste is not available in my country

I can buy something from these products

http://www.manciniracing.com/redliaslu1.html
https://www.frost.co.uk/millers-oils-motorsport-competition-assembly-lube.html
https://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/motor-oil/racing/engine-assembly-lube/
https://www.permatex.com/products/lubricants/specialty-lubricants/permatex-ultra-slick-engine-assembly-lube/

which one to choose?

I use engine oil
bel-ray v-twin semisynthetic 20w50

Looking at the ones you have listed you could go with the Amsoil. It has between 1 - 2.5% Zddp according to the MSDS. I wouldn't use the Permatex as it listed no Zddp. The other two I didn't see data sheets for. So Amsoil is a safe choice.

is a good idea to add oil additives?

http://www.kleenflo.com/products/704.html

KLEEN-FLO TUMBLER INDUSTRIES LIMITED MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET PAGE 1

Petroleum mineral oil 64742-58-1 60-100 % > 2000mg/kg-rat N/Av.
Inorganic Additive* N/Av. 1 - 5 % N/Av. N/Av.
* Containing zinc dialkyldithiophosphates

Well, I know the bike manufacturers say no, and the oil makers say no need to.

But, for 35 years I've added TufOil Teflon additive because I KNOW it works.

I've holed an oil pan before, miles from home, and ran home with the oil light on, and NO pressure. When I pulled into the drive, I didn't turn the engine off, but lifted the hood to listen... the engine was making NO noise. I patched that pan, filled it back up, and it continued to run as if nothing had ever happened, and they say its safe with our wet clutches. Been adding it in my R*s for 10 years, and I've had no clutch slippage.

So, yeah, I add TufOil. I buy it by the gallon, and I don't need to reorder but every few years. I use it in everything!

Questcap wrote:
Well, I know the bike manufacturers say no, and the oil makers say no need to.

But, for 35 years I've added TufOil Teflon additive because I KNOW it works.

I've holed an oil pan before, miles from home, and ran home with the oil light on, and NO pressure. When I pulled into the drive, I didn't turn the engine off, but lifted the hood to listen... the engine was making NO noise. I patched that pan, filled it back up, and it continued to run as if nothing had ever happened, and they say its safe with our wet clutches. Been adding it in my R*s for 10 years, and I've had no clutch slippage.

So, yeah, I add TufOil. I buy it by the gallon, and I don't need to reorder but every few years. I use it in everything!

Ok I went with your recommendation (and others out there who swear by it) and ordered me a 8 oz bottle of Tufoil to try in my r*. Got it from Amazon for 14.95.

I would like to run it in a couple high mileage drivers too, but one leaks pretty good and the other one burns oil fast, so I would be constantly trying to keep up with the Tufoil in them which might be a little pricey and difficulty to maintain proper ratio.

thanks for the tip. Did you also see an increase in your mpg's? I was gleefully surprised at some of the review comments about that.

I have another question about ht2011
These lifters have a different construction

https://photos.app.goo.gl/hZ5QB5eB302dbu5n2

the original washer has holes

it's not a problem ?

install new lifters empty? or fill with a little oil?

Pump them up with oil.

ctkog wrote:
Questcap wrote:
Well, I know the bike manufacturers say no, and the oil makers say no need to.

But, for 35 years I've added TufOil Teflon additive because I KNOW it works.

I've holed an oil pan before, miles from home, and ran home with the oil light on, and NO pressure. When I pulled into the drive, I didn't turn the engine off, but lifted the hood to listen... the engine was making NO noise. I patched that pan, filled it back up, and it continued to run as if nothing had ever happened, and they say its safe with our wet clutches. Been adding it in my R*s for 10 years, and I've had no clutch slippage.

So, yeah, I add TufOil. I buy it by the gallon, and I don't need to reorder but every few years. I use it in everything!

Ok I went with your recommendation (and others out there who swear by it) and ordered me a 8 oz bottle of Tufoil to try in my r*. Got it from Amazon for 14.95.

I would like to run it in a couple high mileage drivers too, but one leaks pretty good and the other one burns oil fast, so I would be constantly trying to keep up with the Tufoil in them which might be a little pricey and difficulty to maintain proper ratio.

thanks for the tip. Did you also see an increase in your mpg's? I was gleefully surprised at some of the review comments about that.

That's interesting,,I went to the FAQ page on there website and it says do not use the treatment with a wet clutch......

Flashback wrote:
ctkog wrote:
Questcap wrote:
Well, I know the bike manufacturers say no, and the oil makers say no need to.

But, for 35 years I've added TufOil Teflon additive because I KNOW it works.

I've holed an oil pan before, miles from home, and ran home with the oil light on, and NO pressure. When I pulled into the drive, I didn't turn the engine off, but lifted the hood to listen... the engine was making NO noise. I patched that pan, filled it back up, and it continued to run as if nothing had ever happened, and they say its safe with our wet clutches. Been adding it in my R*s for 10 years, and I've had no clutch slippage.

So, yeah, I add TufOil. I buy it by the gallon, and I don't need to reorder but every few years. I use it in everything!

Ok I went with your recommendation (and others out there who swear by it) and ordered me a 8 oz bottle of Tufoil to try in my r*. Got it from Amazon for 14.95.

I would like to run it in a couple high mileage drivers too, but one leaks pretty good and the other one burns oil fast, so I would be constantly trying to keep up with the Tufoil in them which might be a little pricey and difficulty to maintain proper ratio.

thanks for the tip. Did you also see an increase in your mpg's? I was gleefully surprised at some of the review comments about that.

That's interesting,,I went to the FAQ page on there website and it says do not use the treatment with a wet clutch......

Hmmm... Questcap said he hasn't had any slippage. I'll report how it works in my 08 which has only an EBC spring. Maybe maybe not an issue. I'll try it once and see.

It's been years since I checked on TufOil's compatibility... back when I did, they said at that time there was no problem, it was compatible with wet clutches. I've never checked back on that since... and it has been years.

I've been a 35 year user, and buy it by the gallon. I use it in all my engines, and, like I said, I swear by it, because I've holed a pan once, and ran with no oil or pressure, and it saved that engine.

The only R* clutch I've had to slip on me was a bike I bought from a member (who likely knew it was slipping, but did not disclose it to me prior to the sale). I put an EBC spring in that one. I've got 3 R*s. Two '01s and one '04. I bought my first '01 more than 10 years ago, and have used TufOil in it since. Bought the second in '10, just over 7 years ago now, and used Tufoil in it.

The '04 has been in my possession for a year and a half, and changed the spring out, because it was slipping.

The stuff holds the Guinness Book of World records for being the slipperiest stuff known to man, and has a ton of scientific study done to support that contention.

All I can say is... I'm a believer. I ran a car with no oil or pressure, and it just kept on running.